5-7-16
I don’t know where to start this, so here I go. I got out of the hospital on February 8, 2016 . I seem to be doing ok still have trouble walking. After I got home and was here for a few days my wife had a heart attack on February 17, 2016. She was in the hospital for about a month, and is on the mend herself. On March 6, 2016 my mother in law had to go to the hospital, she was moved to the nursing home at the hospital and passed this life on April 6, 2016, she was buried on Saturday April 9th.
I went back into the hospital for a pain in my left hip,and April 15th, septic arthritis, removed fluid on hip. left hip to remove and clean out my hip. After 22 staples and some time I am better now, still a little painful to walk.
My Cancer is gone, and some other body parts, but I feel good and looking forward to the future. I don’t know what the future holds for me. I know I have a few more surgeries, but that is later, now is good and I am ready for the future.
God and friends have kept me going and I an optimistic for the future.
9-18-15
I had a PET scan and an MRI on Thursday 9-17.
I saw the surgeon today Friday 9-18. He said my test (PET and MRI) were good and it looks now like the surgery will be minor.
Thanks for the prayers!
The surgery will be Monday 9-21 in the morning. I should be home by next Friday. I will be so happy to have this part over. The pain has not always been easy to deal with, I will have the colostomy for the rest of my life, but I know God is with me and will get me through. He has been very close to me so far, and keeps me at peace.
9-11-15
On Tuesday 9-8 I went and did the pre-op work and saw the primary care doctor.
The primary care Dr. said all looked ok for the surgery.
I went to pre-op and did blood work and such for the surgery. I spoke with the anesthesiologist who said the surgery would be 4-6 hours. She said it was about as serious as heart surgery. But I was in good heath otherwise and I should be ok.
On Thursday 9-10 I was seen by the Radiation Oncology Doctor. He is hopeful that they will not have to remove my prostrate, but said that was a surgeons call. I will see him again a few months after the surgery and we will go from there. I was given another hormone shot to keep the cancer from growing, if any.
Next week I have a PET scan on Thursday 9-17 and see the surgeon on Friday 9-18. If all is well I will have the surgery the following Monday 9-21. I will be in the hospital for a week or so.
So now, as always, I am in the hands of God, however the operation turns out is in His will for my life. I am at total peace with things as they are before me.
As they say in the movies... To be Continued........
9-4-15
I had not planed on doing an update today, but I have some encouraging news.
I saw the urology surgeon, well actually three, one being the department head. They seem to think it is not necessary to remove the bladder and prostrate from what they can see in the scans, and other tests.
They plan to talk to the oncology surgeon to find out why it is scheduled for removal.
What we decided on was that they would open me up an see if the operation can be done as just a removal of the rectum and anus.
It would mean the recovery from the surgery would be shorter. That’s a good thing!
I trust God and thank God for whatever happens, I only pray for His will to be done and He be glorified by what happens.
8-28-15
This last week I didn’t do much but sleep. The pain medicine makes me sleepy. I had an appointment with one of the oncologist that was canceled. I did see the Oncology surgeon on Friday 8-28.
The surgeon said we will be doing the operation on September 21st. He said that as long as I stay cancer free till then we are ok. That statement was powerful as it means I AM cancer free. I thank God for that! The cancer has and will leave it’s mark on me.
The surgery is a major one. They will remove my rectum and anus, also remove my prostrate and my bladder. They will make a different way for me to urinate into another bag, it is a little more involved than the colostomy is. They will also be removing some other organs and glands.
This has taken a lot longer than I had thought it would. But God has moved me just a little at a time. Had I know how long of a process this was I don’t know how I might have reacted. I have to say through all of this I have felt and experienced God’s love for me, I have been at peace for whatever is next and I just keep looking for the end of treatments and rest from them so I get on with what I have to do.
8-21-15
My update for this week, not a lot of new information.
I went to see the oncology surgeon on Friday 8-21. It was my impression before seeing him we would discuss the surgery needed. He did an exam and I showed him a lump where the lymph node was in my groin area, he was concerned about that and they did a needle biopsy, and we will know what the results are next week. The scope biopsy, done on August 5th was negative, and the MRI, done on August14th was also negative for cancer. It just seems the tumor is growing in my rectum, but for now is not cancerous, as far as I know.
So for now I am unsure just what is going on, if I am free of cancer or not. The pain medicine I am on makes me sleep most of the day, and still does not get rid of the pain, only makes it bearable. We have put a bed in the living room so I sleep there for now.
So I will trust God to get me through this valley and beyond.
8-7-15
This has been a week of many different things, My pain level is high even with the drugs it has not gone away. I saw the oncology doctor on Thursday and he gave me some stronger medicine, that helps but I am still in some pain.
I had a biopsy taken on Wednesday 8-5 of the cancer in my rectum, I will know the results later next week. I have PET scan on Friday 8-14, and my case will be reviewed by the tumor board on Thursday 8-13, and then I will see the surgeon on Friday 8-21 to discuss what the operation will be.
So until I know something for sure, I wait.
Had I not known God was with me through this and felt His presence in the pain, it would have been too much. I have faith for a good future.
Thanks to all who pray for me, send me emails or call me. You are a blessing to me.
7-31-15
My update, I don’t know anything more. Saw a Doctor today. It is his opinion that my case needs to go the “Tumor Board” again as it is not clear what to do right now. I have a Flexible Sigmoidoscopy scan, something like a colonoscopy but not as far, mostly looking at my rectum (where the tumor is) on Wednesday 8-5 and MRI on Friday 8-14.
Might know something more precise after the test. The options are more radiation/chemo or surgery. The surgery is a major one so they are trying to avoid it if possible.
Right now I am just trying to get through the pain. Even with high medication it is bad. I can not stand for more than a few minuets, sitting is ok I can deal with that pain. What is amazing is I can walk for a long time as long as I don’t stop.
So for now I just wait and see what happens. I am like most people not good at waiting, but they say it is God’s favorite tool. I have faith it will be ok in the end so I just keep looking there.
7-23-15
It would seem from all the tests I have had in the past few weeks the tumor they thought was gone is back.
I had a PET Scan on Tuesday 7-21 and I had an appointment with the Radiation Oncologist. The Radiation Oncologist checked me and said that the tumor in my rear had grown again. The surgery to implant seeds into the prostrate has been put on hold, and I am to see the Surgical Oncologist on Friday 7-31.
I talked with the Medical Oncologist today and he said the same, that surgery was my next option. Until I talk to the Surgeon I won’t know for sure where I am, but it looks like I will be having some major surgery soon. So it looks like I will have my rectum and anus and prostrate and maybe my balder removed in the next few weeks. This as I understand. This is one of the last options to save my life. I will know more when I see the surgeon.
I am now limited as to how long I can stand and sitting is what I can do best, right now. I know I am in Gods hands and He will heal me if that is His plan. I have to trust that God will do what is best for me. I do know He is here, I feel His presence all the time. So like the energizer bunny I will just keep going. I am always hopeful of good answers, and prepared for the not so good ones.
10-16-15
The doctor called me today about the CT Scan. He said there was nothing abnormal. He said it showed a thickening of the rectal walls, but that could be from an infection or just the cancer cells dying. He wanted to wait till the PET Scan next Tuesday 7-21, and see what that shows. I will see him again on Thursday 8-6.
I have a doctors appointment with the radiation oncology doctor on Friday 7-24 to see the results of the PET Scan, and talk about radiation seed implants to be done on Friday 7-31.
Till then I am on major pain medication and we will just have to wait and see.
7-10-15
I have had an interesting week. Last week I started getting pains in my tail bone and around there. It started about the time I started a new medicine. I called the DR and talked about it but he wanted to see me. I went to the doctor on Thursday 7-9 and we talked and he looked and said it could be a number of things. He scheduled a CT Scan for Tuesday 7-14. After that he will have a better idea what is going on. Right now it is painful to stand for any length of time, and sitting is also limited as to how much I can stand to do. I am on a number of new medications and Pain relievers, and they work ok for now. I am doing ok other than that, I think I gained a few pounds and that’s good. So I will find out next Thursday what is going on, and until then I”ll be ok.
6-26-15
The past few weeks have been a time of getting my strength back. I have had good days and I have had some not so good days. I am getting better, I have had days of side effects, but none have been all that bad.
One of the things I got at the start was a hormone shot, the purpose is to slow the growth down, one of the side effects I am now getting is hot flashes, since I am always cold this has not been that bad, I have at times enjoyed them.
I went to see two of my Oncologist Thursday June 25th.
The medical oncologist said the blood work from the morning looked good, and I was healing up good. He said we will know more when they do the PET scan. He was a little concerned with my breathing, he has written me a prescription for that, and another to help with my digestion. They flushed my port and will leave it in till I am finished with my treatment. My next appointment with him is August 6th.
The radiation oncologist said also that I looked healed up from the treatment. He said he thought from the blood work, and what they did that the rectal cancer is probably gone, but we would know for sure when they do the PET scan. My PSA number was down to next to nothing, so it looks like the prostrate is doing well also. If the news is good from the PET scan, some time after, they may do surgery to undo the colostomy. I have a PET scan on July 21st and then a Dr. appointment with him on July 24th for the results, at that time they are going to decide on what to do. Right now the plan is to implant radiation into my prostrate to take care of any remaining cancer there on August 31st , that will be a one day surgery and I will be home that night.
I went to see the urologist last week, he said that I was doing ok and there was no need for surgery at this time. He said he would keep an eye on my progress and see where we are in late July or August.
Through all of this the prayers and concerns of others has been a great help, God has been with me through all of this and His hand is carrying me through this valley. He has been by my side, and at times I could feel His love and grace surrounding me, but He has always been there. It is now where I can see a light at the end of this tunnel, Thank God!
Memorial Day. 5-25-15
I have had an interesting week or two. The Chemo is still kicking me, I am tired all the time and now from one of the treatments I have a messed up digestion. I went to the Dr last week I saw the Radiation therapy Dr. He said I am healing normally, and I was doing good. I also saw the Primary care Dr. She is happy I am as far with everything so far. She wants me take a vitamin and has prescribed one for me. I am as a whole getting better, Just very slow.
The thing that is the hardest to deal with is is not being able to do what I did even a few months ago. I have lost about 25 pounds and most if it seams to be muscle. Leaves me weak, but I can only wait to get better. And keep trying to do what needs done.
The good news is a very good friend and his friends and my friends and family have finished putting a new roof on the house. That is a load off my mind. It is a joy in life to have good friends who help when needed. I don’t know how I could have done it without all the help.
God is good and I just keep going to see what is next for me to do. I have felt the prayers of all the people praying for me. It is very humbling to know and see so many people care.
05-15-15
This week has been a break for going to the Hospital every day. I have enjoyed that. I have been ok this week my diet is getting somewhat back to normal, and that’s good. I have had some trouble with radiation burns, but after a few calls and chats with the Dr and I have some relief. I will see the Dr.s on Wednesday 5-20. We will see what they say then.
The good news is we are getting a new roof on Saturday. I have a friend who is doing it with help from his friends.
We will lose our internet for the week-end and should be back by sometime Monday. The bad thing about satellite internet is that it has to be re-installed by a tech.
05-08-15
Well today was gradation day, I have finished this round of Chemo therapy and Radiation therapy. I am glad this six weeks is over. I know it was the prayers of many and the grace of God that got me through.
Both of the doctors I have been seeing have been amazed at how I have done with the treatment. I just say “I have a lot of people Praying for me”.
I am still a tired and need naps, at least once a day. And the radiation Dr. said that the radiation burns I have may get worse next week, but that is expected to happen. I have medicine for the burns and I will be ok.
I want to say thanks to all who have emailed me or sent cards, or prayed and just thought of me, it has helped get me along the journey.
I will NOT be going to the Dr. Next week but have two appointments on Wednesday the 20th of the week after next. One appointment is with my primary care doctor, the other with the radiation oncologist, he wishes to check how the skin is doing from the burns.
Sometime in late June I will have another PET scan to see where we are and how small the tumors are. I will have an appointment with a radiation oncologist to look at a more concentrated radiation therapy from the inside out, and that will be in July. It is called an HDR Boost.
So for now I just rest and get better. We will see what happens next. I know I am ready for whatever may come, I am at peace with where my life is right now, and we will see where I go.
5-1-15
As I said last week they decided to keep going since I was doing so well.
Well I am glad I only have one more week of this. After 5 weeks so far of treatment I am ready for a few days off.
On Monday I was given a new Chemo drug Mitomycin-C in addition to the Fluorouracil.
It or something has left me Very tired.
My last day of radiation treatment is Friday 5-8-15 and they are supposed to remove the chemo pump on that day also. I will feel like a free man again.
Where we go from here is a period of rest for a while and some test are on the menu for the weeks after next week. I will be getting a PET scan and some other test.
Keep me in your prayers as the last week of treatment is going to be a bit tough for me.
I know God’s hand is upon me and going to get me through this
04-24-15
This has been a week of good, and not so good news. The good news is I am doing much better that they expected (Physically and Mentally). The not so good news is, I will not have a break from the treatment. They will do the next two weeks now rather than wait.
It is better not to have a break for getting rid of the cancer.
Having lived with the ups and downs of this chemo pump 24/7, I think I can get by for a few weeks more.
I am a bit sore and a lot tired, but I can get by with a nap or two.
The driving back and forth has not been so bad, it gives me time to reflect and think about where I am in this life.
04-18-15
Well this week went ok with me driving back and forth to the Hospital. This round of chemo I did get some nausea, but it was mild. I know it is the prayers of many have lifted me up, and keep me going.
Both doctors I saw this last week were happy with the progress. I am done with 3 of 4 weeks of treatment. Then I have 2 weeks off then 2 more weeks. I am still very tired, but that is part of it. I still have my hair, what’s left anyway. That’s a good thing.
04-10-15
I got home today (Friday) and I have to say, I thank God, and all those who have been praying for me. I don’t know what is happening inside of me through all of this. I feel better now than two weeks ago. The only side affect I seam to have is a lack of energy, and it is know side effect, and to be expected.
Right now I am on a chemo drug Fluorouracil for now, they may switch to Mitomycin-C later. I will be on a Chemo drug till the April 24th 24-7. I wear a pump that pumps a little bit about every 10 min. it is attached to the port I have. I am also treated with focused radiation five days a week (M-F) till April 24th.
The care I have been given is great, I have no complaints at all. Everyone I deal with is a real caring and willing to help me any way they can.
I have decided to try driving back and forth and staying home at night, next week. I like the hotel but I would rather be home, even if it means driving two hours each way, every day.
All I can do for now is keep plugging along, as I am now about half way through the first four weeks.
4-3-15 Friday
I got home today for the weekend. I have been staying in Richmond for the treatment. So far I have no bad side effects for the Chemotherapy or Radiation Treatment.
Last week I went to the Oncology Department on Monday 3-30 and they hooked up a pump to my Port for the Chemo. I will have it hooked up to me till April 24th. I am getting used to sleeping with it, and having it as part of me for a while. I also saw the Oncologist on Thursday 4-2 and he is happy with how things are going. I will be seeing him every Thursday.
On Monday I started my Radiation Treatment and that is every day during the week, Monday to Friday. I saw the Doctor there on Wednesday and Thursday, and he is ok with how it is going.
The only side effect I seam to have is I am very tired.
The VA put me up in a Holiday Inn for last week and the next 3 more weeks, so I don’t have to drive home every day and that has helped.
So for now that’s what I know, I will write more next week.
3-27-15
This week I met with the Oncologist on Thursday. They now have a treatment plan.
On Monday, March 30th I will start the radiation therapy. The treatment will be for 5 days a week for 4 weeks , after that I will have two weeks of rest then 2 more weeks, then we’ll see if the tumor has decreased. The options seam to be Surgery to remove the tumor, or more Radiation or more Chemotherapy.
Also on Monday, March 30th I will be given Chemotherapy through a port for 4 weeks, and will stay attached till about April 25th. The port for the Chemo was installed on Friday, March 27th in surgery, that was not a problem. The reason for the port as I understand is it a better way to get the Chemo drug into my bloodstream.
The Doctors say because of the large area of Radiation treatment, it will take it’s toll on me, and I will be tired and sore. Especially my bottom.
I have in my opinion some of the best Doctors, they really seam to care where I am, and what is happening to me. They talk to each other to find the best treatment for me.
I have a room at a hotel booked by the VA from March 30th to April 27th so I do not have to drive the 80 miles to the Hospital every day of the week for the Radiation Therapy. I can come home on week ends, if I feel like I can stand the drive. I am leaving that part up to God.
For the next few weeks I may not be able to update this page as I will be away. I will send info to those I have been sending updates to, should anything unusual happen.
3-18-15
What I know now, (I think). Some of this is confusing to me but what I know is I have two kinds of cancer, that is strange as most the time it is one spread around, but mine is two I have cancer of the rectum and cancer of the prostrate.
My treatment will start on Monday March 30th and should last 4-5 weeks. I am to start with Chemotherapy and Radiation for the first week and then radiation for 3 more weeks then Chemo and radiation the last week. That is the plan as it now stands. All this is up for change as I don’t totally understand it all or remember it well. But I do trust my Doctors and that can go a long way.
I had a PET scan yesterday to check the bones and that turned up negative for cancer in my bones. That’s good!
The biopsy they took of my lymph nodes turned up to be rectal cancer, they thought it would be prostrate cancer, that has given them a fit trying to figure out where it started. So now they are just going with what they know.
I feel ok right now just a little tired, the Dr said the treatment is going to be hard on me because of my age and the area they must radiate on me is large, but I know I can make it through with the help of God and good friends.
3-5-15 & 3-6-15
3-5-15 I went to the Oncologist, he said that they needed the information from the biopsy that would be taken on 3-6-15. But what he said is I have prostate cancer and rectal cancer and that the plan was to treat both with chemotherapy and radiation. That it would take a month or so of every day going for treatment. I will see him on the 19th and we will set dates for treatment. It is his opinion, and that of the surgeon that this will be the best treatment. He said the success of the treatment is better than 50%. Also they started a drug treatment on Thursday that I have to do every six months. So right now it looks positive for a good outcome.
3-6-15 I had a minor surgery to do the biopsy of the lymph node. I will know the results on the 19th.
My next appointments right now are 10th with the urologist, 19th with the oncologist and 20th with the surgeon for post op.
It is a blessing to have friends to help by taking me there and bringing me home. I could not do this without help from friends.
2-26-15 & 2-27-15
The appointment for 2-26th had to be canceled because of snow. The Dr. did call and said that another surgery was going to be needed and that the Dr. On 2-27th would talk about it to me. He rescheduled the appointment for 3-5th.
The appointment on the 2-27th the staples from surgery were removed. The Dr. said they were of the opinion that the lymph node in my groin needed to be addressed, it is outpatient surgery and is scheduled for 3-6th. I have an appointment on the 3-5th for pre-op.
I have another appointment with the oncology Dr. On 3-5 that I had on 2-26th. At that appointment we will discuss what treatment after surgery may be.
2-11-15
I got home Wednesday 2-11 from the hospital.
I have been recovering since then, the home nurse came today and checked me out and said I was OK.
I am doing much better as the pains I was having have pretty much gone away. Sitting is not painful anymore, or any other things I had.
I am lucky in that I have not needed the medication prescribed by the hospital for pain as I am pretty much pain free since Friday 2-13.
I am still a bit weak, but making improvements. My next appointment is the the 26th with the oncologist, to determine what to do next about the cancer. Then I have an appointment with the surgeon to check on the results of the operation on the 27th.
2-3 & 4-15
Monday I went to see my Chiropractor, they slipped me in, I will not be able to go after my surgery as I will not be able to lay on my stomach. So until it is reversed or something else happens I will just need to be more careful with my back.
Tuesday I went to see the primary care doctor. Without her I would not be as far in the process as I am. She has been a real blessing and advocate for me. We talked about the operation and what follows, as to care and needs I will have. She also thought from reading all the reports that I stand a good chance of having a good outcome. One thing I have lost 12 pounds, so now I am back to a weight when I was 20 or so.
I also spoke to the social worker who explained what kind of care I may need after the operation, and gave me a few ideas and options.
Today, Wednesday I had a PET scan. That is an experience, the good part is I got to take a nap for an hour plus waiting for injection to take effect. The appointment for the bone scan was canceled for tomorrow, so I can eat tonight. I do have an anointment with the urologist tomorrow to discuss the prostrate cancer.
My surgery is Friday at 12:00PM I have to be there at 10:00AM and the surgery will last for about three and a half hours. I feel good about everything, wish it was not me, but I know that it is part of life. Few of us get out of here without some major bump.
1-30-15
I had another day of seeing many doctors, I must say the VA is very thorough.
I saw the Oncologist and he showed me the CT scan, I saw the tumor they talked about, it is behind my bladder and in front of my spine. The plan is to do the colostomy on Friday 2-6 . After I have recovered they will start the treatment for the cancer. He told me the cancer is now in stage 3. The cancer they believe started in the prostrate, that is confirmed as cancer, and has spread and how far we will know by Friday. Even tho the cancer is stage 3, it his opinion that it is treatable, or at the very least they are able to halt the growth.
I saw the ostomy care nurse, she explained the process and how I can deal with the changes in diet, care and use and such.
I had another biopsy, this time the lymph node in my pelvis, as it is swollen and hard. I did all the pre-admission lab work for the surgery. It seems all my appointments lately turn into 5 hour appointments as they decide to send me to see someone else, it’s nice that it is all in one place. I feel that there is a team working for my good and that is a blessing.
I have full week next week-- Tuesday I have an appointment with the primary care Dr. to release me for surgery. Wednesday I have a PET scan, Thursday I have an appointment with the urologist, then a bone scan. Then I have the surgery on Friday. I will be in the hospital for 5-7 days, if all goes well.
1-23-2015
Today was a day of some answers and questions. I saw the oncologist surgeon today. What he and his resident said was encouraging and confusing in a way. He told me I was the talk of the department as it is unclear what is really going on with me. What he does know is I have a tumor in my pelvis area that is aggressive and growing. It is putting pressure on my colon and upper rectum. He is suggesting that I have a Colostomy done soon, he is of the opinion that I need to do this soon and it would relive a lot of my synonyms. He said the hospital stay would most likely be a week or so. After that is done they will will work on the plan for what to do about the tumor. I will give him an answer when I see him on Friday 1-30-15, after I ask a list of questions I have been working on. I have been blessed so far in life as I have not to have any major surgeries and this will be my first. As I like to say “That’s life.....”
1-22-2015
I had a CT scan today, I was to see a doctor but it was canceled as I will see them tomorrow. I hope to get some answers tomorrow, and find out what is next.
I will see the urologist on the 3rd and have a bone scan seheduled for the 5th. Just have to wait for now.
1-20-2015
I knew from the start this would be a long day as I was squeezed into the schedule. I was the last procedure and I did not get into the operating room till about 4:00PM. But all went as planed they did the prostate biopsy and a cystoscopy. They said I will get the results of the biopsy in a week or so. The pain was not too bad after the operation, I am now on a different medication.
1-21-2015 I woke up this morning feeling quite good, more or less pain free. I hope that this round of test will give them the information they need to narrow down where the cancer started. I guess all will become clear in time, just have to be patient and wait (Not easy). Next appointments are this Thursday and Friday.
1-16-2015
Today was a long day. I saw the urologist today, she was optimistic about the options, that may be available. She was concerned about finding out if the cancer is from my prostrate or bladder, she made a number of calls and got me into surgery Tuesday for a prostate biopsy and a cystoscopy. They will put me out for it and I am glad about that.
They added a bone scan on the 5th of February.
1-13-2015
I got a letter today that says the results of the biopsys are "Metastatic Cancer". At least now I have a name for it. before I was just guessing and reading between the lines of what the doctors were telling me.
More about that here Metastatic Cancer
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Sites-Types/metastatic.
So now I have an appointment with a Urologist on the 16th
I have an appointment with a Surgeon on the 22nd
I have an appointment for a CT scan on the 23rd
And I have an appointment with a Oncologist on the 23rd
All these appointments are at Hunter Holmes McGuire VA Medical Center. The care I have received so far has been nothing short of amazing, the people really care for how you are doing there. I have been there a number of times and I have always left feeling respected and cared for.
1-8-2015
The doctors I am seeing now say I probably have cancer. It all started some time ago. I was in pain when I sat down. I went to the doctor at the local clinic, He suggested I see the VA for a colonoscopy. I had that done on 12-31-14. At that point, the Dr. at the VA said I most likely had cancer. They took a number of samples for biopsy from a number of tumors. I will see the surgeon on Jan 22nd to discuss options. I have an appointment on Jan 16th with a Urologist as I have had a sustained elevated PSA level, which is a indication of prostrate cancer. Between the two the pain level is high, and right now I am using much pain medication, that works most of the time, but leaves me unable to do much.
Life has it’s fair share of ups and downs. God can teach us much when we are in the valley, we just don’t see it till we get out of the valley. But if you have been through enough valleys you know when you are there and you start looking for what might be learned. My current valley is a deep one, tho it does not feel that way. I know God is with us and will NEVER forsake us, so we are looking for what to learn.
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Bob